'A bird builds with another bird's feathers'
Listen back to insightful conversations between artists and curators recorded live at CHART 2023.
In the fourth episode of our new CHART Talks podcast, we are happy to share a live recording of a talk between contemporary artist Lulama Wolf and Fatoş Üstek, writer, curator and author of 'The Art Institution of Tomorrow,' a forthcoming book scheduled for publication in April 2024. The conversation coincided with Lulama Wolf's exhibition 'Common Effort,' in dialogue with works by Sonja Ferlov Mancoba, at Eighteen Gallery.
The talk covered everything from Wolf's unique approach to colour and figuration, to the influence of folklore and art history in her works, to what it means to have an introspective relationship with the world around you.
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Artist talk with Lulama Wolf and Fatoş Üstek at CHART 2023
Photo by Joakim Züger/BARSK Projects
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Artist talk with Lulama Wolf and Fatoş Üstek at CHART 2023
Photo by Joakim Züger/BARSK Projects
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Artist talk with Lulama Wolf and Fatoş Üstek at CHART 2023
Photo by Joakim Züger/BARSK Projects